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just close your eyes and hope it's not

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ours

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cause you can travel until you get so

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it's like it's watching over me

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telling me what i can say

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so

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get loud inside

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using internal patients

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the rest is all just waiting

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sitting long enough to survive

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the rest is all just waiting

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get loud inside

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we're all in the revelations

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or big enough

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to cause a stir

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was small enough so it

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just occurs i wonder if it even knows

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how to try

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seconds watching over

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as it talks so

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telling me what i can say

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it's like it's watching over

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get loud inside

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for all the revelations

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long enough to survive

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the rest is all just

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using internal patients

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um so yeah

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thanks for

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joining me here today

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it is

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thursday today

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in case you didn't

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know um yeah so hello to everybody here

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with me um we have uh kristen

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christian uh ethereal aura surfsike

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witness citizen what's up

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um

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not sure about that guy case for

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infinity what's happening

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um made wild wonders hello

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yeah so thanks everybody um for hanging

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out here today

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i do appreciate you joining i'm starting

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a little early because i wanted to touch

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on something quick

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um

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that you know

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but i'm going to try my best and it has

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to do with um

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i guess really in general

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as opposed to um you know in this

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community but

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um

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i thought after yesterday it'd be worth

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um at least

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touch again

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so yesterday we uh i had a show and it

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was going pretty great it was on um

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the book that came out skin loggers uh

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at the pentagon

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um

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and we were discussing kind of the

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mystery

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knapp and caskey and all that

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which i thought it was very very

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and i enjoyed it i bought the book i

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can't wait to read it

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hello

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that one time i was abducted by aliens

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that's a long name to say i got to get

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an acronym for that or something

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but then it kind of went into a

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different direction

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and i don't want to go too far into

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those details and all that

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you know i just

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because somebody came on and i made a

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decision to take it off and the decision

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i made to take it off is

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um because

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i didn't feel right about it i felt that

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there was uh maybe something more going

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like uh like a mental thing and

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you know i felt like i was just more

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trying to be protective of the person

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because the comments that were coming in

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and if i was right about that person

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um something like that like a mental

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illness and those comments were coming

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i just didn't want to see um

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guess um but i've suffered from my own

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undiagnosed for most of my life

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um and i've been in certain situations

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where where people were incredibly

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mean to me not knowing that you know

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and i felt that pain and it was real and

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i guess in that instance um

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all i was trying to do maybe i was

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trying you know

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in a weird way trying to protect myself

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from when i was in those situations or

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or whatever but

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um in the end that's what i was

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in him

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you know why i'm not putting it up is

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that's what i'm trying to do

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um i have no comments on

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research or anything beforehand it was

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ask me the person is is a dear dear

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you know because people like that can

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suffer

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from mental stuff um i'm not a doctor

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you know i'm diagnosing someone and i'm

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not

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this is just my channel and that's the

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way i felt and that's what i

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that's how i feel

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but there's a lot that i think was uh

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kind of uh learned

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by myself and and hopefully others in in

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you know in all this happening

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and for the record um that person is

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still free to do what you know they wish

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whether it be

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you know on their own youtube thing or

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somebody else's that's fine that's none

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but you know i have my thing here and i

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make my choices and i do try to push

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truth uh there was a comment on my page

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um that i'm you know trying to hold

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secrets or something but

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um if you watch my channel or look at my

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website

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um i

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put forth thousands

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of ufo encounter documents on my website

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that

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no one has seen

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including over a hundred military

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encounters

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with you at both

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you know not that i need to defend that

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i want to make that clear that you know

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one thing that happens doesn't define a

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person in their intent

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or what they're trying to do

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so what i learned from that is

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that you know

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whether that person is or not

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is irrelevant because mental illness

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exists in this community and everywhere

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you know and i saw somebody comment on

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twitter something

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about

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the subject and it

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riled me up because again you know i go

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into this

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protective mode like i got to protect

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the person and i'm

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you know

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it's just i was just raised that way and

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um

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but if i see something that i believe is

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wrong in my heart i i act on it

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and sometimes i really um

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you know maybe i'm better off not

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because i i

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go through a lot of a lot of trouble in

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pain doing that

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um

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i can't help it it's almost like an

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instinct you know

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um

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and that doesn't mean that i'm some

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great person because i've screwed up

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so many times and what i'm telling you

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like my comment on twitter was screw up

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you know

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jumping down someone's throat the way i

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did was was not the appropriate way to

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and i can't make excuses for that i just

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and i'm not even going to comment on

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anyone else's actions or tweets or

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anything because

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i have no

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i can't speak on it

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and i'll get in

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what i mean by that is we don't know who

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we're talking to

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on twitter and i don't mean that they're

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just strangers or

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this or that i just mean you don't know

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what they're going through you don't

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know who they are

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i didn't know who that person was that i

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that i tweeted to just like that person

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didn't know

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and it turns out we both kind of suffer

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from the same type of stuff

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and here we are like

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you know

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you see someone on twitter and sometimes

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it's an avatar

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and no name or even a a picture and a

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name

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that doesn't mean you can act or treat

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and it's incredibly

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uh difficult

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because twitter really feeds on your

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but somehow some way i

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and i think others

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have to

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find a way to treat everyone

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as if they were directly in front of you

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as a real person because that's what

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and even you know so to speak uh trolls

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or people who

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deliberately seem to just um live their

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life on twitter to bring other people

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you know sometimes you can only do so

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much but

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um i can tell you like battling with

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them on twitter in a feed is not going

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with those

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so we have to learn that we can only

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we don't have to allow

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everybody in our life or our view

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on twitter you know we can block people

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and we don't have to say something mean

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before we block them

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like i've done you know

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we can mute them

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we can locate the source of negativity

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in our lives and do our best to

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uh rid that from our day-to-day life

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and in the end we're going to be better

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now this conversation isn't about

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um mental illness and experiences or

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this or that

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because that part is irrelevant to me

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it's about the person it's not about

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what they say happened to him or what

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didn't happen to him it's about the

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you know

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i've heard some people tell me

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incredible experiences that they've had

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they're more than mentally stable

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they're beautiful they're smarter than

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but you know what i mean

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like the the experience doesn't make the

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person

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um

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you know mentally

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stable or not you know their brain does

299
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and so when you think about somebody

300
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like and you're wondering about that

301
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like you have to think of that and not

302
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like what they're trying to tell you

303
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uh and yesterday i just kind of made

304
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that choice

305
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and if it was wrong or right

306
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you know i'm sorry but that's just the

307
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best

308
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and i learned a lot yesterday

309
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and i really

310
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have prayed and hope

311
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as well as everybody else

312
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that is going through that

313
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because what we need more than

314
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anything right now is

315
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especially in this community is each

316
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you know

317
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there are so many forces

318
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that are

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already

320
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trying to attack this community and

321
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the things we're trying to do

322
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[Music]

323
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including different opinions within it

324
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that turn into

325
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and you look at the accomplishments at

326
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the end of that and they are absolutely

327
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none there are no accomplishments except

328
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people who leave

329
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with a lot more negativity and hate in

330
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and it's tough because there's some

331
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people on twitter

332
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and i'm not thinking of anyone in

333
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particular that seems like that's their

334
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goal in life is to do that and you know

335
00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:25,760
that's not unique to twitter that's in

336
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real life as well

337
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and you meet people like that

338
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or work

339
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work with somebody like that

340
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it exists you know and all we can do is

341
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try to avoid it

342
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and not get sucked into

343
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the negativity and the poison and the

344
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because that will spread and will

345
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destroy

346
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and these are just my thoughts i'm not

347
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perfect i'm not a doctor

348
00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:14,880
i'm just trying to lead with my heart in

349
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so that people who are wondering what

350
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happened or

351
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are we gonna get info on yesterday like

352
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i don't care about any of the info or

353
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what he said or anything that's just

354
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irrelevant to me i just care about the

355
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person you know

356
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and i hope that you can find a way to do

357
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that as well

358
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and

359
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you know try to trust what i'm telling

360
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you is

361
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is honest and real and if you can't

362
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you know

363
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uh but i'm

364
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i'm not perfect and i'm gonna make

365
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mistakes

366
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and everybody is and that's something to

367
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remember too

368
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:06,640
you know when we talk to each other is

369
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i'm talking about myself charles you

370
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talking about myself

371
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so um

372
00:19:37,830 --> 00:19:35,760
just know that when you

373
00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:37,840
deal with people out here that there are

374
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:40,080
some really serious things people are

375
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going through and not even relation to

376
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um

377
00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:47,760
the friend that i spoke to yesterday

378
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,390
me that other people in the chat

379
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you know

380
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we just got to be kind

381
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and when we're not

382
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the second we realized we weren't

383
00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:07,520
own up to it be accountable for it

384
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apologize say yeah that was me i

385
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shouldn't have said that

386
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:13,679
and that's the hardest part but you know

387
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:15,520
that's a part of getting rid of the ego

388
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:18,080
isn't it and we all know the hugo is has

389
00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:19,760
a lot to do with why we're here right

390
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:31,270
things for disclosure

391
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:33,029
is because we can't manage to put that

392
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:35,039
down and just work together like you

393
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:36,960
know a nuts and bolts person who's just

394
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:39,120
purely scientific can't put their ego

395
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:41,440
down enough to maybe consider that

396
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,200
someone who had an experience might have

397
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something relevant to say in regards to

398
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their scientific

399
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so

400
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that's what i got

401
00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:05,430
um

402
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:13,350
yeah i mean

403
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:16,640
this is a great point like humor like

404
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:18,559
sometimes you're commenting and you're

405
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:20,320
saying something funny on something and

406
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:21,679
to you

407
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:23,679
you know it's light-hearted and ingest

408
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:25,360
but the person

409
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:27,200
may be having a really hard day and

410
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:28,320
reads it

411
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:30,400
and

412
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,799
something that was totally out of

413
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:36,480
context

414
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:44,070
which is what twitter does right

415
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:45,440
so you don't have the face the

416
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:48,400
personality the you know the intent

417
00:21:57,909 --> 00:21:55,750
and that makes it really difficult to

418
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develop any sort of real relationship

419
00:22:02,070 --> 00:21:59,440
with people because you're just going

420
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:02,080
based on typed words

421
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:09,190
and that's it and

422
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,640
[Music]

423
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,039
like and there's it's twofold like as

424
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,360
the person doing the tweet you gotta

425
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:17,440
remember that and the person receiving

426
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,360
the tweet has to remember that if

427
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:20,880
something rubs them the wrong way you

428
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:26,230
and again not easy but we have to try if

429
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:28,159
we're going to use this medium and we're

430
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going to

431
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:31,600
have discourse on it like that's our

432
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:40,070
and allow ourselves to screw up and make

433
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,470
you know but

434
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,400
be kind enough so if someone does it to

435
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,960
you they feel okay being accountable and

436
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:50,799
saying yeah that was the wrong choice

437
00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:52,400
you know

438
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:53,919
you have to be able to do that because

439
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:58,230
you know

440
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:00,000
they'll be apt to not

441
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,190
because

442
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,440
of ego and embarrassment

443
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:09,600
and you're right you were right haha you

444
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:15,350
we have to be understanding

445
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:17,679
and show compassion

446
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,120
for the flaws of humanity

447
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,600
because that's something we all share

448
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:25,919
and have in common

449
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:32,549
you know

450
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:34,880
and just because we don't know how the

451
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,360
person is not perfect

452
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:41,110
doesn't mean

453
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:43,840
that we can assume that they think

454
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:45,919
that they're right and you know not

455
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:53,269
all right

456
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:55,520
see

457
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:57,520
king milk

458
00:24:03,990 --> 00:23:59,840
perfect thank you still laughing back i

459
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:06,070
oh man

460
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:11,590
yeah

461
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:12,960
um

462
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:15,200
but i just wanted to say like i just

463
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:22,390
i just wanted to say that you know and

464
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,159
sneaky toaster

465
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:26,400
perfect perfect thing to say grace needs

466
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,279
to be

467
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:29,360
given to everyone

468
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:31,120
you know and you can like i said you can

469
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:32,640
get to troll

470
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:38,950
and you know to be fair i didn't look at

471
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:40,480
all these comments i just picked

472
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:42,799
sneakies and i thought grace needs to be

473
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:46,559
even everyone is is really good

474
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,710
um you know just we all have [\h__\h] days

475
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:54,480
and i'm no different than you and vice

476
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:55,840
versa so

477
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,000
just

478
00:25:00,789 --> 00:25:00,000
try to think of that i guess you know

479
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:00,799
and

480
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:03,120
somebody's talking about a an experience

481
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:06,240
that's really wild you know and you even

482
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:08,720
think like there's no wait that's even

483
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:14,630
you know it's it's like uh it's cliche

484
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:15,919
because it's true if you don't have

485
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,520
anything nice to say just don't say

486
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,360
anything at all you know

487
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,120
if you can't stand to look at it without

488
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:24,080
saying it like hide it block it whatever

489
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:27,600
you know do whatever you have to do

490
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:30,720
because i can say your one mean tweet

491
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,679
you know isn't going to uh change

492
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:36,240
uh the whole big picture of everything

493
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:37,919
you know

494
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:40,799
it's not a useful tool

495
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,430
it's a one ounce hammer

496
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:48,960
oh that's going to be a good name for a

497
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,710
one ounce hammer that's gonna be good

498
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,240
um

499
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:00,799
so yeah thanks for listening me guys

500
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:04,240
that's uh the best i have and yesterday

501
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,000
and you know

502
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:08,559
uh the mental stuff and um i guess in

503
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:15,669
um yeah but

504
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,120
that's what we're gonna do that's what

505
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:19,679
we're gonna say and now we're gonna move

506
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:21,760
on to

507
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:25,360
the fun stuff where we get real

508
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:26,720
fun

509
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:30,080
with some man-made saucer plans from

510
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,350
confirmed by a general what a general

511
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:40,000
confirmed that a general said that a man

512
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,880
made a flying saucer

513
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,640
oh

514
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:46,400
wow

515
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:47,840
well

516
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:50,240
that's what i thought when i read it so

517
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,080
i've enlisted

518
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,080
the engineer

519
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:56,720
to come discuss the plans that were

520
00:27:02,149 --> 00:26:58,880
actually outlined in the documents to

521
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:02,159
see if there's any validity to them at

522
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:06,240
all and guess what i think you will be

523
00:27:16,750 --> 00:27:09,200
very very surprised so we'll be right

524
00:27:16,760 --> 00:28:07,990
[Music]

525
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,710
yeah that's right now guess what i know

526
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:12,640
just keep playing clips and songs but

527
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:15,360
that's what i gotta do because coming up

528
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:18,159
next is the meat and potatoes the duck

529
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,830
ladies and gentlemen the document of the

530
00:28:32,850 --> 00:28:25,600
day

531
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:39,830
[Music]

532
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,590
document of the day

533
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:54,710
doc of the day that's by that you gotta

534
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:56,799
love the doc of the day doesn't that

535
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:58,880
just make you happy

536
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:01,840
makes me happy that's for sure

537
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:04,399
and you know right now

538
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:06,559
sitting on the dock of the day

539
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:09,039
oh that's a good one

540
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:13,600
nice nice job i think i got actually a

541
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:17,679
i got a pretty great um

542
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:24,549
uh maybe not i lost it but i had like

543
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:27,679
goofy effects that i could play

544
00:29:31,679 --> 00:29:35,750
um wasting time

545
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:37,750
so what you can do i put the link in the

546
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:40,960
description of this video um it

547
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:43,039
discusses

548
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:45,200
what we're about to look at here so

549
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:47,760
first we'll start with the townsend

550
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:50,159
browned

551
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:51,520
foundation

552
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:54,399
and i can't zoom in

553
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:56,559
oops

554
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:57,440
so

555
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:00,080
i'm just going to make this full screen

556
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:05,909
yeah that's pretty big okay

557
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:08,399
so

558
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,120
check this out office of naval research

559
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,679
pasadena right brief description of the

560
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,600
alleged phenomena

561
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:17,679
um

562
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,640
so

563
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:20,399
you know the name that's blacked out is

564
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,240
this townsend person basically so

565
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:26,480
several ease

566
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,000
claims to have found several new

567
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:30,480
physical effects considers them to be

568
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:32,080
interrelated

569
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:33,039
um

570
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:34,640
we'll be concerned here with those

571
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,440
relating to the force upon and between

572
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:39,200
electorally charged bodies in the air

573
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:40,799
and under oil

574
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:41,840
so

575
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,520
is probably not the best document to

576
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:47,520
start with here so these are some of the

577
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:48,640
plans

578
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:50,880
of the person

579
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,840
and i'll give you some more context here

580
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:55,760
when we get to the right document so

581
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,840
when we bring out joe engineer

582
00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:59,600
he's actually gonna

583
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:02,000
um

584
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:03,679
you know let us know of you know are

585
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:07,200
these legit do they work what is it

586
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,799
so you know in the meantime these

587
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,399
documents are on my website which you

588
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:12,720
can grab yourself in my description if

589
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,519
you want to follow along

590
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:17,039
you can

591
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:24,710
march 31st 1952. you know the funny part

592
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,799
about this and actually uh spaghetti

593
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,399
what's up by the way spaghetti good to

594
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:30,000
see you back brother

595
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:31,120
um

596
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:33,919
mention this to me

597
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,480
it's 1952 that was like the biggest year

598
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:37,919
of all this stuff

599
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,269
and only a couple months before dc and

600
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:45,360
all that so what does that mean i don't

601
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:50,070
so

602
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,480
thought

603
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,200
that what he had was

604
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:59,200
like an anti-gravity

605
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:01,039
thing right

606
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:05,279
uh and it turns out that it was

607
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:06,080
not

608
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:09,760
into gravity it was like a uh ion

609
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:11,760
type repulsion

610
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,549
you know it's completely silent

611
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:22,230
silent you know we always hear that

612
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:24,240
these reports no noise didn't make a

613
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:31,190
and these plans like uh the osi when

614
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:33,200
they went to investigate they

615
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:37,120
watched like a demonstration i believe

616
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:47,269
so i'm realizing that i'm missing

617
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:49,190
like kind of the best meat potato

618
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:51,279
document here of this which

619
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:56,950
unless it's um

620
00:33:02,549 --> 00:32:59,440
it's actually the document where uh the

621
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,559
general is

622
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:04,159
where the general first comes and talks

623
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,799
about this and i posted on my twitter uh

624
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:09,120
basically it's um

625
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,679
goes in the kind of context of the

626
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:13,279
generals talking to the other guy he

627
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,200
says listen sir this is going to sound

628
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:17,840
kind of nutty but uh

629
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:19,840
i go to this place and the guy's got two

630
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:24,000
flag saucers in there

631
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:28,080
and uh the conversation is pretty great

632
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:31,120
but if you just hang with me

633
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:41,110
and you know the interesting thing is

634
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:43,750
they're flying saucers but with

635
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,120
you know that doesn't mean that um

636
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:49,919
like it's ion propulsion so

637
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,480
it only goes

638
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:54,320
like the thrust as far as i know it only

639
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,559
goes so fast you know you can't

640
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:00,960
you know do 90 degree turns and 7 000

641
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:02,960
miles per hour with it is is what i'm

642
00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:13,430
but then there's more to the story

643
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:14,869
definitely

644
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,000
so oh my camera got messed up sorry

645
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:21,040
i kind of liked it there actually

646
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:22,800
so there is a little more to the story

647
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:29,750
like short video on friday last week i

648
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:31,040
don't know if you caught that it was

649
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:34,800
about uh alexander this alexander guy

650
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:40,950
and he's working on like the same kind

651
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:42,879
of stuff afterwards and it turns out

652
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:49,909
he's designing this stuff

653
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,440
so i'm thinking

654
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:53,919
wait a minute

655
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:56,240
did the air force just like freaking

656
00:35:02,630 --> 00:34:59,599
steal this guy's plans

657
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:02,640
and gave it to this gentleman to work on

658
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:09,910
and i think possibly that could be the

659
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:14,550
but i also you know wouldn't know and

660
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:15,839
that's why we're going to bring on

661
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:18,320
somebody a lot smarter than me

662
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:19,520
to

663
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:21,839
you know let us know about that

664
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:25,119
because the interesting thing is just

665
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:26,160
that

666
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:27,040
so

667
00:35:30,510 --> 00:35:30,160
what i'm going to do here

668
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:30,520
is

669
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:42,550
just play a little bit

670
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:44,870
on july 14th five objects were seen in

671
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,520
less than a two hour period they have

672
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,280
also been observed at various times

673
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,200
since the objects were seen over bitter

674
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,440
rock mountain range the rest of which

675
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:55,680
forms part of the state boundary between

676
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,119
montana and

677
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:02,310
this was a letter

678
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:05,200
it began dear sir in communication from

679
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:07,359
brigadier general philip blackmore white

680
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:09,520
sands proving grounds new mexico on

681
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,000
flying saucers my attention was called

682
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:14,960
to a case at hamilton montana on which

683
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:23,589
you know actually this document i'm

684
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:24,960
about to go through is the right

685
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:27,119
document so this little video actually

686
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:36,069
secure the typical questions that you

687
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,560
ask people on these ufo reports 200-2

688
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:42,400
secure the flight direction and confirm

689
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:43,520
it

690
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:52,320
these will be available to you

691
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:59,750
one of the things that mrs blank

692
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:00,800
wanted

693
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:02,720
them to do verified that the object

694
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,599
seemed

695
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:05,680
to change shape while in flight this is

696
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,760
very important and when this information

697
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:10,000
is later correlated with laboratory

698
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:11,920
laboratory work involving

699
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:14,240
focused wave sections the ionization

700
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:16,320
patterns will already be confirmed from

701
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:18,800
this witness

702
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:20,960
so please give the witness mrs blank all

703
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:31,190
she saw

704
00:37:36,860 --> 00:37:33,670
so i don't think that is actually

705
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:36,870
uh right either

706
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:39,200
[Laughter]

707
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:42,480
man i'm just behind the ball today

708
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:45,280
um i am sorry about that

709
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,440
kind of uh lat my head

710
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:49,280
but

711
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:51,520
the reason i did that video is because

712
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,560
it kind of describes what the things are

713
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:56,880
that we're kind of talking about

714
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:59,359
um those are triangles that were

715
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:01,040
discussed there

716
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:03,040
they're triangles

717
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:10,310
they're like mainly floating there's no

718
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:16,390
and the reason that was interesting to

719
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,280
me is you know triangles i don't know if

720
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:21,599
you guys have ever heard this but i

721
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,480
heard

722
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:24,720
and i have no idea if it's true

723
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:27,280
that the triangles are

724
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:30,079
ours so if they are

725
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:37,270
but i don't know what do you guys think

726
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:41,040
you think the triangles are ours or not

727
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:43,839
let me know let me know your thoughts

728
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:51,430
but i don't know seems like they could

729
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:52,320
be

730
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:55,760
i'm gonna i just want to find this one

731
00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:58,400
document that points out the generals

732
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:03,829
and

733
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:05,200
discussing

734
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:06,160
this

735
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:08,960
flying saucer

736
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:11,359
but you know unfortunately i post a lot

737
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,839
of documents

738
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:15,359
so

739
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:17,200
may take a little bit but i'll get there

740
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:18,880
i'm going to do the scrolling so don't

741
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:24,470
what did you you know

742
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:27,280
it's just all pretty crazy that's for

743
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:29,440
sure

744
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:31,359
a little bit i'll touch on

745
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:33,920
um you know kind of rewind i guess for a

746
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:35,680
second

747
00:39:40,829 --> 00:39:38,800
i'm gonna i want to touch on

748
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,839
like the ossep stuff and the

749
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:42,720
a-tip i know it's kind of going

750
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,079
backwards but i'm going to talk about

751
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:46,000
this until i get to where i need to be

752
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:49,119
in the document stuff

753
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:52,640
i think people spend

754
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:53,680
it's just

755
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:56,320
an opinion you know so don't hate me if

756
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:57,920
you don't feel this way

757
00:40:02,870 --> 00:39:59,760
but i think people spend a little too

758
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,880
much time on

759
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:05,280
like those little details that may not

760
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:07,920
be the same from one person to the other

761
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,319
person you know

762
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:12,079
because at the end of the day let's say

763
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:13,839
okay so they're given two conflicting

764
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,839
statements about this or that so what

765
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:17,680
does that mean you still don't know what

766
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:20,079
that means

767
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:21,920
you know it could mean somebody goofed

768
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:24,480
up and made a mistake it could mean

769
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:27,119
um you're being misled it could mean

770
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:30,000
two people were given two different

771
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:34,950
you know it could mean a lot of

772
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:37,359
different stuff

773
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:43,510
it's just not worth it to me to sit here

774
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:45,040
and figure out

775
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,470
what's this and you know like oh oscep

776
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:52,560
did this was lou there and they did that

777
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:55,040
an atip and was that being done like i

778
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:55,920
don't

779
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:57,920
you know what's it what difference does

780
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:01,200
that make in the end as far as truth

781
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:02,480
you know

782
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:04,480
i think sometimes we take our eye off

783
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:08,560
the ball as far as what we really want

784
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,359
right

785
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:11,760
and what we really want

786
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:14,160
is

787
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,630
and

788
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:20,480
if somebody's given a different story

789
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,920
from the other guy

790
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:23,680
as far as what they did when they were

791
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,040
working for the government i don't know

792
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,359
that it either

793
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:31,200
i don't know that it i don't know it

794
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:32,560
just seems like a

795
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,640
way to

796
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:36,720
nitpick and fight each other on twitter

797
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,109
and who needs more of that

798
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,589
right so it's just like find your own

799
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:49,680
truth whatever that means if it means

800
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:52,720
that you have to go and find your own

801
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:55,359
uh research or documents or find your

802
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,680
own way or whatever like do that

803
00:42:01,270 --> 00:42:00,240
sometimes it gets too messy for me and i

804
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:01,280
wind up

805
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:02,960
not paying attention what's even

806
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,040
happening because you know it's

807
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,200
impossible to make heads or tails of it

808
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:09,119
in the end so what's the point of

809
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:14,390
you know

810
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:22,390
you could even say

811
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:23,599
that

812
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:33,030
you know

813
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,630
uh back to the triangles experiencer

814
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:36,480
group what's up

815
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:38,720
uh they're usually seen either hovering

816
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:41,680
or flag fast to sell super low seemingly

817
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:44,319
under conventional radar range within a

818
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:46,480
couple hundred feet of the ground

819
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:47,599
yes

820
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:50,640
you know the interesting part of that um

821
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:53,119
you know what we're gonna talk about

822
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:54,720
even though i don't think can go very

823
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,079
fast but

824
00:42:59,100 --> 00:42:58,400
um

825
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,110
it can

826
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:01,760
[Music]

827
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:08,069
so that's pretty interesting so it

828
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:12,079
almost has all of this stuff other than

829
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:13,280
you know

830
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,920
flag fest itself

831
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:17,520
and i would think that's you know pretty

832
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:19,359
big part of it

833
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:20,160
right

834
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:23,200
but this was also in 1952 so who's to

835
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,280
say they haven't figured out a way it to

836
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:29,599
do that make it flying

837
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:37,270
yeah that's right megan good point yeah

838
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:38,960
we had that conversation with david

839
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,079
marler super triangle dude you know he

840
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,920
said something very interesting is he

841
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:45,760
doesn't have one

842
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,319
document of a triangle

843
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:49,920
landing

844
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,589
that's interesting isn't it

845
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,599
um all the documents i've went through

846
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:59,680
recently i haven't seen one

847
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:00,800
i've seen

848
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:02,720
a lot of you know

849
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:06,560
supposed crashes of saucers yes

850
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:07,440
or

851
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:14,720
know

852
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,760
so that's kind of interesting

853
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:19,440
yeah

854
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:21,680
good point david is super interesting

855
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,480
amazing archive did you know he's like a

856
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:26,960
sleep doctor

857
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:33,030
um yeah megan so what i'm talking about

858
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,440
is in the us

859
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:37,680
so he doesn't have one of one landing in

860
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:45,349
uh what's that case

861
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:46,400
in

862
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,550
right

863
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:54,960
where it was there

864
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:56,720
there's audio of it if you haven't heard

865
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:58,640
it you can download the audio the army

866
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,040
guy or whatever air force guy actually

867
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,680
recorded them going up upon these lights

868
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:05,839
which wound up being this triangle and

869
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:08,560
then the story gets really juicy when

870
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:14,950
and he wrote down like the symbols that

871
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:21,910
so

872
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,079
you know i guess who's to say we can't

873
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:26,640
really know at this point but

874
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:29,280
it's fun to speculate

875
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,119
um

876
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:33,839
uso triangle yeah we hear the story

877
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:36,000
about

878
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,920
there's even like a picture that i don't

879
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,760
know if anyone's officially debunked it

880
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:41,839
or not but it's of a triangle coming out

881
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:47,829
very interesting

882
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:51,520
and you know the reason i'm i've been on

883
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:53,119
this uh

884
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:56,319
on this tip the triangle tip right

885
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:58,000
uh it could be ours right well for a

886
00:46:02,390 --> 00:45:59,839
couple of reasons but i i'll really just

887
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:02,400
go into the main one which is

888
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,510
secret machines

889
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:10,710
right

890
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:14,079
i don't know if you've read it but

891
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:15,520
he has

892
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:17,280
gone into like what the things are

893
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,079
throughout the whole story

894
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:22,800
and the triangles if you go by that book

895
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:26,160
are ours and the spaceships are aliens

896
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,079
and there's like a hatchet type thing

897
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,240
i don't know

898
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:34,160
i think that's where it is

899
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,880
but anyways and a pilot winds up uh you

900
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,480
know flying the thing and they tell the

901
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:40,560
story of him going to you know places

902
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,079
all around the world it's quite fun

903
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:44,319
actually especially to put yourself um

904
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:46,240
mentally in that situation close your

905
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,520
eyes you know

906
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:49,200
it's a book on tape so i just got to

907
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:54,870
uh yeah that's a good point i don't even

908
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:57,680
know if he does or or doesn't but just

909
00:47:03,109 --> 00:46:58,880
not make

910
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:05,589
i have no idea he seems like a good

911
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:12,630
if they are ours why don't you use them

912
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:18,309
sure

913
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,910
that would be more up to you know

914
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:28,630
you know the powers that be

915
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:37,349
um i'm a little behind on what you guys

916
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:39,200
are talking about but that seems to make

917
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:41,200
sense yes

918
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,870
definitely

919
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:46,640
oh here's is it

920
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:49,200
uh louis pitching ai ufo detection

921
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:50,800
software now

922
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:52,880
uh how can we train that how to know

923
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:55,119
what's real in the first place whoa well

924
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,240
that is way beyond me first of all

925
00:48:04,829 --> 00:48:00,640
because i'm real intelligence although i

926
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:04,839
made a song called ai a few years

927
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:07,599
back um

928
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:09,920
but yeah that's interesting so i mean in

929
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:12,000
the presentation he gave you know he

930
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,440
shows a picture

931
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:15,280
with a black craft

932
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:18,400
and you know a black disc

933
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,319
so right away i was thinking you know

934
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:22,640
not to be smart ass but i was thinking

935
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,640
uh well first of all

936
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:27,119
it's not real because they're they don't

937
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,079
they're never black discs

938
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,400
they're sometimes i've maybe heard dark

939
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:35,040
gray but those are silver shiny metallic

940
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:36,319
discs right

941
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:37,599
um

942
00:48:42,430 --> 00:48:40,000
so right away i was like that ain't real

943
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,440
even though it did look super real

944
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:44,640
[Laughter]

945
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,400
it it did look

946
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:48,800
pretty legit like to where i was

947
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:50,770
thinking like is this gonna be a real

948
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:51,920
[Music]

949
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:53,920
and actually is he giving us an actual

950
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:56,000
real thing here and of course the answer

951
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:57,520
is no but

952
00:49:02,710 --> 00:48:59,839
and then the ai picks up on it figures

953
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:02,720
out it's a tent

954
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:06,950
but that would be cool to get some

955
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,270
like if that turned into a video of a

956
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:15,119
triangle flying around i think that's

957
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:18,559
exactly what everyone is like

958
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,589
uh we get the blurry stuff so whatever

959
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:32,630
and um i'm not gonna get into that

960
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:33,440
but

961
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:35,680
that's what happens

962
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,880
so uh we're gonna have joe on in a

963
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:41,200
second here

964
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,480
and we're going to

965
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:46,800
bring the smart guy

966
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,440
to talk about uh those plans so if you

967
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:51,520
want again you can kind of

968
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:52,800
catch up with everything in the

969
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:55,200
description of this video

970
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,720
and the documents are there too if you

971
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:58,000
want to follow along if you're an

972
00:50:03,589 --> 00:49:59,599
engineer you can follow along those

973
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:03,599
plans um you know after we do our thing

974
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:07,040
quick um or whatever you are free to ask

975
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,520
him you know stuff if he can answer

976
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,680
great if he can he can't

977
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:13,520
but i'm super

978
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:15,280
thankful that he's doing this because

979
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,240
you know

980
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,480
i see that and i don't know what to make

981
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:20,319
of it like

982
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:27,829
so

983
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:31,109
i'm just going to take a

984
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:33,589
quick break and bring him back on max

985
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:36,240
and the icer guy

986
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:38,000
cool

987
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:40,800
yeah you know to get their uh little

988
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:43,760
things going on there um

989
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:44,800
and

990
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:46,960
you know i don't really seem to take

991
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:49,680
part in that so i'm doing my thing over

992
00:50:52,829 --> 00:50:50,559
here

993
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,839
which is

994
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,200
cool it's bad

995
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:57,200
you know i hope whatever that they're

996
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,960
working on

997
00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,720
goes really

998
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:01,920
well

999
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:04,960
and that we get some good stuff from it

1000
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:06,319
i know icer

1001
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:09,119
works their butt off

1002
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:09,920
um

1003
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:12,960
blue works his butt off so

1004
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:14,800
you know i hope that all pays off in a

1005
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,480
way that really in the end can be

1006
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,480
transparent to the public so

1007
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,480
you know we can

1008
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,720
have some sort of confidence in what we

1009
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:24,640
believe

1010
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:26,720
you know

1011
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:29,440
does that make sense

1012
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,800
because i think that in the end that's

1013
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:32,960
the thing right like uh what we're given

1014
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:34,960
mandates all this stuff the government

1015
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:37,920
you know admitted uaps cool great that's

1016
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:39,040
awesome

1017
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:40,960
but it doesn't you know give anyone

1018
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:43,839
confidence in certain things you know

1019
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:46,160
like not in the people but just like

1020
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:48,079
what it is

1021
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:51,680
or what it looks like or

1022
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:53,280
or what it can do

1023
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,240
you know

1024
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:56,400
and there's a lot of reasons for that

1025
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:57,520
government doesn't have a good

1026
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:03,990
uh reports that you can just go on the

1027
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:06,559
cia's website that describe how can we

1028
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:09,920
use this for psychological warfare

1029
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,040
you know

1030
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:13,520
like sure it was forever ago but they

1031
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:15,839
did it they thought of it so you know

1032
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:19,440
how are we supposed to know that

1033
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,440
they don't still think of things that

1034
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:23,119
way you know

1035
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:24,400
it doesn't mean

1036
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:26,480
you know louis or anybody else is or

1037
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:27,680
isn't but

1038
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:29,839
you know other people or whatnot i don't

1039
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:31,680
know

1040
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,240
gets complicated right gets so

1041
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:36,079
complicated

1042
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:38,240
but you know there's one thing

1043
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:39,440
um

1044
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:41,599
and i'm mainly talking for people who

1045
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:43,200
haven't had an experience that kind of

1046
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:44,960
proved a little something to them

1047
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:47,119
already you know like it's happened to

1048
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:48,400
me i know that

1049
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:51,200
i'm 100 confident something happened

1050
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:54,800
um because i've had that

1051
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:56,240
but you know i'm still left with not

1052
00:53:01,750 --> 00:52:59,040
knowing really what it is or why or what

1053
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:01,760
it was

1054
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:11,200
so

1055
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:13,040
i don't know

1056
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:18,790
what

1057
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:19,680
oh

1058
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:21,520
sweet

1059
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:23,599
we got

1060
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:28,000
pretty cool thing about to go down

1061
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:30,800
i did want to

1062
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:33,520
do something quick

1063
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:37,440
and what that is is really

1064
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:39,359
i have to go to the bathroom i'm sorry

1065
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,710
i gotta go bathroom so what i'm gonna do

1066
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:48,480
is

1067
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:53,280
just take a quick breather to go do that

1068
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:54,640
and

1069
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,200
do

1070
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:03,829
just uh take a little break

1071
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:04,720
back in

1072
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:06,559
[Music]

1073
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,150
i guess it means something

1074
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:21,430
that you get upset and start running

1075
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,390
i'll take your advice to the queens and

1076
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:26,559
i'll accidentally leave it there on

1077
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:33,910
i got ufos on my mind

1078
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:37,930
is it even raining on me so right above

1079
00:54:52,510 --> 00:54:50,559
[Music]

1080
00:55:03,349 --> 00:54:52,520
is it even raining on me

1081
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:03,359
[Music]

1082
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:17,770
is

1083
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:20,230
[Music]

1084
00:55:38,140 --> 00:55:29,200
i got ufos on my mind

1085
00:56:02,549 --> 00:55:59,750
[Music]

1086
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:02,559
leave it there on purpose is it even

1087
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:21,589
[Music]

1088
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:27,030
with time comes now

1089
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:31,270
i guess it means something

1090
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:39,349
i'll take your advice to the cleaners

1091
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:41,680
and i'll accidentally leave it there on

1092
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:42,880
purpose

1093
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,160
all right cool so thanks uh for being

1094
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,720
cool there giving me a break so without

1095
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,240
further

1096
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:52,799
ado oh basically i should say this thank

1097
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:55,920
you joshua remember sweet i'm going to

1098
00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:58,480
get to work on doing stuff for that and

1099
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:01,040
spaghetti good to see you yes

1100
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:04,000
everybody else surf psych

1101
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:05,839
everybody

1102
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:11,109
what's up joe how you doing

1103
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:13,599
good how are you good yeah can you hear

1104
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:16,400
me okay yeah again hear me okay i

1105
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:18,319
haven't done this before so i'm kind of

1106
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:20,000
like working through the tech on this

1107
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:21,680
part of it you're great

1108
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,799
yeah

1109
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:24,400
if it sounds like i've got an echo or

1110
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:26,720
anything i'll uh try to adjust the

1111
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:28,799
volume or something but

1112
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,400
it sounds good ben

1113
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:32,400
sounds real good hey you're a handsome

1114
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,309
yeah so

1115
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:40,400
you know we were talking on twitter just

1116
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:42,240
uh a little bit back and forth and when

1117
00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:43,920
this came up when i came into these

1118
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:45,040
documents

1119
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,920
um

1120
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:47,280
you know and it looked like gibberish to

1121
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:50,319
me but i was just so curious about like

1122
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:53,520
um the validity of those and for those

1123
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:55,040
of you if you're just joining us we're

1124
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:56,799
talking about those townsend

1125
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:59,359
uh brown foundation documents where it's

1126
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:01,760
a man made like flank saucer and in

1127
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:02,720
general

1128
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:07,359
office and he tells them i went to this

1129
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:11,280
place and there's two flying saucers

1130
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:12,720
flying discs

1131
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:15,599
um and basically they wind up you know

1132
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:17,440
meet this guy investigating checking it

1133
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:19,680
out and everything like that so

1134
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:21,359
um

1135
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:22,880
first of all

1136
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:25,040
like the story if i'm you know correct

1137
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:27,440
me if i'm wrong but the townsend guy

1138
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,680
thought it was anti-gravity but in

1139
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:31,440
reality it was

1140
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:34,799
uh an ion-based propulsion

1141
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:37,440
that's correct yeah oh so tell me a

1142
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:39,520
little bit about what you found out with

1143
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:41,040
uh

1144
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:44,079
with that and and looking at those plans

1145
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:46,640
so from from looking at the documents

1146
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:48,799
it's clear that

1147
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:50,720
there was some interest here because the

1148
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:53,359
one general i don't recall specifically

1149
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,079
which one what his name was but he was

1150
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:59,040
uh a witness to one of the tests that

1151
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:00,960
they were actually doing

1152
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,240
so

1153
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:04,960
he saw it firsthand saw that it was

1154
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,799
working and

1155
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:08,880
it drew a lot of questions from him and

1156
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:10,079
he thought it was something that they

1157
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:11,440
should investigate

1158
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:12,880
which caused

1159
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:15,440
that research division to

1160
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:17,760
look into it and

1161
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:19,520
their conclusion

1162
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:22,160
uh while different from townsend

1163
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:24,079
um you know they they obviously had some

1164
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:26,160
initial skepticism but

1165
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:27,839
um from looking through

1166
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:30,000
their research and and you know they

1167
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:33,040
even conclude that well it works but not

1168
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:34,960
for the same reason that townsend

1169
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,839
thought it worked and and um

1170
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:39,440
there's probably still people to this

1171
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:42,000
day that that think maybe it is

1172
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:44,079
anti-gravity but um

1173
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:45,760
it is a pretty well known phenomenon at

1174
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:46,880
this point

1175
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:47,920
um

1176
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:50,720
it you know it is it is ionic wind which

1177
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:52,880
ionic propulsion and

1178
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:55,119
what's interesting about it is

1179
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:56,559
he doesn't really get a lot of credit

1180
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:58,079
for finding it

1181
01:00:02,069 --> 00:59:59,680
and knitting

1182
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:02,079
even though he uh

1183
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:04,720
he had found or in he basically

1184
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:06,880
discovered this effect

1185
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:09,040
he gets almost no credit for it because

1186
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:11,440
he had called it the wrong thing and i

1187
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:12,880
don't think that that's really fair to

1188
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:14,400
him or

1189
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:15,599
any of the

1190
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:17,440
other individuals that were assisting

1191
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:18,880
him in the effort because there was a

1192
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:21,280
whole foundation there that was actually

1193
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:23,440
uh participating in this it wasn't just

1194
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:25,200
him and

1195
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:28,319
he had a uh he had an astronomer um that

1196
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:31,520
a professor of astronomy that that was

1197
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:33,760
also assisting him in his uh efforts

1198
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:34,799
there and

1199
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,960
in any case the design

1200
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:38,880
specifications that are listed

1201
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,040
are interesting and and you can tell

1202
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:43,440
that they're from the time if that makes

1203
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,920
any sense we have more efficient power

1204
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:47,599
supplies now

1205
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:49,119
uh back then it would have been really

1206
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:50,240
difficult

1207
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:53,359
to do this on a moving craft like with

1208
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:56,000
sustained propulsion

1209
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:58,640
the type of voltage source required for

1210
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:00,480
something like this is in the realm of

1211
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:02,960
30 to 50 kv minimum

1212
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,799
and that's just not something that's

1213
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:06,720
super easy to do especially back in the

1214
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:09,520
day storing that type of

1215
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:11,280
i mean even if you look

1216
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:13,280
just in the last 20 years how much

1217
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:15,520
battery tech has come along you know

1218
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:16,799
tesla's and

1219
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:18,880
the electric cars can go a lot further

1220
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:21,040
now and you know so it's it's just one

1221
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:23,520
of those things it's improved with the

1222
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:25,920
tech but um back in the day

1223
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:27,440
would have been difficult to make it uh

1224
01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:30,240
on a moving vehicle at the time um i

1225
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:32,720
know they did try and they they

1226
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:34,960
were more had it set up and their test

1227
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:37,280
apparatus is like a stationary thing it

1228
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:40,079
can only move with certain space

1229
01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:40,880
um

1230
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:41,680
okay

1231
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:44,000
they even looked at doing this in in

1232
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:46,240
another type of fluid besides air

1233
01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:49,200
um the effect holds in oil as well

1234
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:51,040
so that was pretty interesting

1235
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:53,359
interesting so

1236
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:55,440
from what you can tell

1237
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:58,160
this thing wasn't responsible for like

1238
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:00,880
the dc sightings

1239
01:02:04,829 --> 01:02:03,280
correct

1240
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:04,839
okay good to

1241
01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:07,119
know um

1242
01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:09,200
now the other thing that was interesting

1243
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:12,319
is the alexander's part

1244
01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:14,640
and what well he was kind of doing the

1245
01:02:17,349 --> 01:02:16,079
same thing

1246
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:17,359
um

1247
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:21,839
u.s air force guy

1248
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:23,680
and he was like um

1249
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:25,119
and there's videos on him you can check

1250
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:26,319
him out

1251
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:28,960
where he's got like the string up to it

1252
01:02:32,789 --> 01:02:30,640
it's almost like he ignites it or

1253
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:32,799
something and then it rises up real slow

1254
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:36,559
and hovers um is that like the same

1255
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:38,319
kind of design or whatever

1256
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:39,359
it's

1257
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:41,119
related to the same exact principles

1258
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:42,559
it's you can tell that there's some

1259
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:44,720
changes to design but

1260
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:47,200
fairness you can make the assumption

1261
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:50,160
that the principles described and maybe

1262
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:53,119
even investigated due to the townsend

1263
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:54,319
exposure

1264
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:55,039
is

1265
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:57,359
there you know there's a link clear link

1266
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:00,400
yeah so it's like they just stole dude's

1267
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:03,119
plans

1268
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:05,280
basically

1269
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:07,839
yeah that's that's very interesting um

1270
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:10,480
like it's in a patent law right so

1271
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:12,640
he tried to submit his patents

1272
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:15,440
he was submitting them under like a

1273
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:17,680
anti-gravity type

1274
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:19,039
propulsion

1275
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:19,839
so

1276
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:21,359
it's still unfair because you know this

1277
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:23,280
guy found this thing and

1278
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:25,440
and then you know someone else took the

1279
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:27,359
idea almost

1280
01:03:32,549 --> 01:03:28,240
yeah

1281
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:32,559
basically in uh the townsend um

1282
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:35,680
townsend brown what is his name he

1283
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:37,520
yeah they he was kind of mocked a little

1284
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:39,760
bit by other scientists didn't they say

1285
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:41,280
like this is never gonna work or

1286
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:42,720
whatever

1287
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:45,039
right which is why his test facility was

1288
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:46,720
important for him because

1289
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:48,720
being able to actually show that even if

1290
01:03:52,549 --> 01:03:50,640
he even if he was wrong about what was

1291
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:52,559
going on he was correct that there was

1292
01:03:59,029 --> 01:03:56,400
an effect there and uh it was observable

1293
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:59,039
yeah and he never like even

1294
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:00,960
finished college or anything either he

1295
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:03,039
was just like a part of a rich family i

1296
01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:05,359
think if i remember correctly

1297
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:07,599
um and kind of a recluse and just did

1298
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:12,710
but um

1299
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:14,960
are there any aspects of that

1300
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:18,480
technology around today and if so what

1301
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:20,799
is it being used for

1302
01:04:27,029 --> 01:04:22,799
so there are aspects of that tech around

1303
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:27,039
today um i would say that and i shared

1304
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:28,799
this with you i believe in our uh

1305
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:29,920
twitter

1306
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:31,680
discussion i don't know if you have that

1307
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:34,480
ready or not to maybe bring up but

1308
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:37,599
there's a an mit program that sure

1309
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,440
made a uh flying uh flying wing that's

1310
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:43,680
no moving parts and it's using this

1311
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:45,280
ionic propulsion

1312
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:46,079
um

1313
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:48,079
which i i can maybe explain a little bit

1314
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:51,119
generally for everyone but sure

1315
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:52,960
before i do while you're maybe looking

1316
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:55,280
for that the the

1317
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:58,240
the comment i wanted to make about this

1318
01:05:03,029 --> 01:04:59,760
it's kind of you can say whatever you

1319
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:05,270
think about this very interesting that

1320
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:06,240
there's

1321
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:08,160
some interesting well the interesting

1322
01:05:12,230 --> 01:05:09,280
thing is

1323
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,240
with ionic propulsion like this uh

1324
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:14,400
certain things that are commonly

1325
01:05:18,950 --> 01:05:17,920
discussed in like a ufo sighting uh

1326
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:18,960
might be

1327
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:19,920
also

1328
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:22,480
attributable to this type of propulsion

1329
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:23,680
for example

1330
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:25,760
ionic propulsion is silent you're not

1331
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:27,200
going to hear anything other than the

1332
01:05:31,589 --> 01:05:29,839
corona that might be happening because

1333
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:31,599
the air around

1334
01:05:36,069 --> 01:05:33,839
the the airfoil

1335
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:36,079
so to speak is ionizing

1336
01:05:39,190 --> 01:05:37,200
by the way

1337
01:05:42,069 --> 01:05:39,200
i will say this for anybody in here that

1338
01:05:43,829 --> 01:05:42,079
is a uh like an aerospace engineer an

1339
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:43,839
aeronautics engineer i am not an

1340
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:45,520
aeronautics engineer

1341
01:05:51,589 --> 01:05:49,200
i'm not a rocket scientist so if um if i

1342
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:51,599
use a colloquial term instead of the

1343
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:54,240
technical term i apologize

1344
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:55,680
my specialty is intellectual engineering

1345
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:57,680
but i do have some understanding of

1346
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:00,319
propulsion so

1347
01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:03,760
the ionization around the air will cause

1348
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:05,359
um basically

1349
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:08,880
weird distortions um

1350
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:11,280
it's kind of like um it's kind of like

1351
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:13,359
the aurora borealis you know like you

1352
01:06:15,510 --> 01:06:14,480
you can get

1353
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:15,520
effects

1354
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:18,400
ionization

1355
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:21,280
or or um another great one is you know

1356
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:24,960
geomagnetic events due to solar winds

1357
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:27,520
yeah so that happens with with this

1358
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:29,760
effect to some extent it just depends if

1359
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:31,839
you go really big with it and have some

1360
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:34,880
massive airplane you could have some

1361
01:06:38,549 --> 01:06:36,960
distortion effects around it that are

1362
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:38,559
very noticeable from the ground it just

1363
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:41,599
depends but i know the uh the mit plane

1364
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:43,119
is a lot smaller

1365
01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:45,440
um but but yeah that's still around and

1366
01:06:49,109 --> 01:06:47,440
a lot of people are advocating for

1367
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:49,119
investing in that as a way to get away

1368
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:53,200
from you know regular jet propulsion

1369
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:56,000
yeah that's crazy that it came all this

1370
01:07:01,029 --> 01:06:57,359
way

1371
01:07:05,349 --> 01:07:03,109
i mean it's it's not necessarily ready

1372
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:05,359
for prime time yet but it's uh

1373
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:07,440
i know that um from what i from what i

1374
01:07:10,390 --> 01:07:09,520
understand

1375
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:10,400
this is

1376
01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:12,000
more in the rumor mill than anything i

1377
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:14,000
have to point you but some people that i

1378
01:07:16,230 --> 01:07:15,359
know for

1379
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:16,240
um

1380
01:07:20,549 --> 01:07:18,720
in industry so to speak

1381
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:20,559
amazon has looked at doing something

1382
01:07:25,750 --> 01:07:23,039
with their drone tech to

1383
01:07:28,230 --> 01:07:25,760
use some maybe this form of propulsion

1384
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:28,240
has experimented with it at least so

1385
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:30,400
that they can have drone delivery that's

1386
01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:32,559
you know not producing any fossil fuels

1387
01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:33,520
and also

1388
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:35,680
silence so you don't hear a bunch of

1389
01:07:37,860 --> 01:07:37,359
drones buzzing to deliver your amazon

1390
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:37,870
packages

1391
01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:39,920
[Laughter]

1392
01:07:44,470 --> 01:07:41,599
right yeah otherwise it sounds like we

1393
01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:44,480
have these giant robot robotic flies all

1394
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:46,880
over the place

1395
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:47,760
yeah

1396
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:50,000
um the corona part of it i was

1397
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:51,119
interested

1398
01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:54,000
you said other than the corona part of

1399
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:54,799
it

1400
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:57,119
does that make

1401
01:08:01,109 --> 01:07:59,119
that very that could make a sound what

1402
01:08:02,549 --> 01:08:01,119
that's what would that sound like just

1403
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:02,559
curious so

1404
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:03,520
um

1405
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:06,000
boy i wish i had an exact video it

1406
01:08:10,150 --> 01:08:07,920
sounds like it could sound like a

1407
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:10,160
crackling sound and you're probably not

1408
01:08:12,549 --> 01:08:11,599
gonna hear it

1409
01:08:13,349 --> 01:08:12,559
um

1410
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:13,359
so

1411
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:16,080
long story short i used to be when i was

1412
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:17,600
in college in my undergrad there's we

1413
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:19,199
had something in my school called tesla

1414
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:21,359
club and we had a an actual working

1415
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:23,520
tesla coil

1416
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:28,799
put a wire out specifically so that it

1417
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:30,400
would have a corona on the end of that

1418
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:34,640
wire and we used it to play music so

1419
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:37,520
yeah we use the ionization of the air to

1420
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:41,040
create sound waves wow cool that's why i

1421
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:42,560
said it could create a sound but you

1422
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,040
probably design it so that you

1423
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:48,000
minimize the sound effect if you're

1424
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:49,600
looking for silent flight

1425
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:50,560
right

1426
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:52,960
that's that's crazy did you look at the

1427
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:54,719
walden stuff at all

1428
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:57,440
is that a real company walden aerospace

1429
01:09:02,550 --> 01:08:59,359
i don't i don't even know

1430
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:02,560
i i didn't look into that but

1431
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:04,000
looking at the plans and everything on

1432
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:07,359
there the the math and the physics of it

1433
01:09:12,229 --> 01:09:09,199
are sound

1434
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:12,239
with the exception again that that um

1435
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:13,440
misunderstanding that it was

1436
01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:16,560
anti-gravity versus uh right what was

1437
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:17,839
actually going on

1438
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:19,920
yeah because he didn't go to school but

1439
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:22,799
he was super smart so he was

1440
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:25,040
so he figured something out

1441
01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:26,880
there's a lot of credit for that yeah

1442
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:27,759
yeah

1443
01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:29,040
um

1444
01:09:34,229 --> 01:09:31,600
interesting do you know

1445
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:34,239
you probably would don't know but um if

1446
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:37,120
there's any members in his family that

1447
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:39,759
might still be around you know working

1448
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:42,080
on stuff like that

1449
01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:44,640
to my knowledge no but that doesn't end

1450
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:47,279
because i've just worn it out there

1451
01:09:51,349 --> 01:09:49,040
yeah

1452
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:51,359
no the the walden thing is pretty

1453
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:52,560
interesting

1454
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:53,520
and

1455
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:55,840
here i'm gonna bring that up

1456
01:10:01,590 --> 01:09:57,840
so because

1457
01:10:09,669 --> 01:10:05,669
and they're all you and they use

1458
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:10,950
so

1459
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:12,719
it's pretty interesting you'll have to

1460
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:14,159
take a look at this in your own time i

1461
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:15,600
guess but

1462
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:17,600
um

1463
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:19,440
it's pretty crazy because they talk

1464
01:10:23,570 --> 01:10:21,760
about

1465
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:23,580
look at this

1466
01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:25,840
[Laughter]

1467
01:10:29,669 --> 01:10:27,040
wow

1468
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:29,679
and i'm pretty sure that it's

1469
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:32,400
oh here there's a triangle hypothesis

1470
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:33,520
interesting

1471
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:36,560
i'm pretty sure it's a real company

1472
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:38,400
that does i don't think they're making

1473
01:10:42,149 --> 01:10:40,640
these things right now but

1474
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:42,159
um

1475
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:43,600
yeah

1476
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:51,679
have to maybe we'll do a part two where

1477
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:53,280
you're where we talk about this stuff

1478
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:55,280
while the aerospace

1479
01:11:01,830 --> 01:10:58,400
look at that it's a disk

1480
01:11:04,149 --> 01:11:01,840
um yeah so megan had a good question

1481
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:04,159
that i will bring up

1482
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:06,400
oh it's still up there hey can you see

1483
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:08,560
it yep uh

1484
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:12,480
alexi jerkoffs grab a flyer um i am not

1485
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:15,120
familiar with it but that will now be on

1486
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:16,000
the list

1487
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:18,239
that's the guy that's uh

1488
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:21,440
the guy who is you know working on the

1489
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:23,120
stuff from the air force where it went

1490
01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:24,239
to this

1491
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:26,719
yeah yeah yeah okay i what but i'm not

1492
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:29,120
familiar with the graviflyer if that's

1493
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:30,800
maybe that's what it was called but yeah

1494
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:32,640
that's what it was called okay so he

1495
01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:34,400
also was saying that it was anti-gravity

1496
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:38,480
then i suppose but it's uh yeah no um

1497
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:41,120
there was a clear link between what what

1498
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:47,669
yeah related product ends up coming out

1499
01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:49,600
with essentially maybe not product isn't

1500
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:51,920
the right term but yeah

1501
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:56,320
device yeah crazy so what's what's your

1502
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:58,480
take away from this what's your scoop

1503
01:12:02,550 --> 01:12:00,719
because you know first of all thank you

1504
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:02,560
for doing this and i'm really glad that

1505
01:12:06,310 --> 01:12:04,159
you found it interesting

1506
01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:06,320
because even i did and i you know i

1507
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:08,480
don't really know much about the actual

1508
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:09,920
science behind it

1509
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:10,719
um

1510
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:12,480
but yeah what what are some of your

1511
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:14,320
biggest takeaways from it after looking

1512
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:15,840
into it

1513
01:12:20,950 --> 01:12:17,840
my biggest takeaways

1514
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:23,830
a there's probably some very interesting

1515
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:25,199
technologies that have been in

1516
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:27,120
development for a lot longer than maybe

1517
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:30,080
i was aware of um i i've been familiar

1518
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:32,080
with ionic propulsion but it seemed like

1519
01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:34,159
more of a relatively new

1520
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:35,920
aspect and honestly before this i had

1521
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:38,159
never heard of townsend so

1522
01:12:41,590 --> 01:12:39,040
um

1523
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:41,600
this is uh that was a very interesting

1524
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:42,640
find

1525
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:45,360
the uh the other aspect of this

1526
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:46,400
it's possible that some of these

1527
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:48,320
technologies have been developed maybe

1528
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:52,480
in secret that that are beyond what what

1529
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:55,360
mainstream academia would be aware of

1530
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:57,600
uh which is kind of fascinating

1531
01:13:02,229 --> 01:13:00,239
yeah because you would probably know

1532
01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:02,239
about it if

1533
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:03,520
you know

1534
01:13:08,709 --> 01:13:04,640
if it

1535
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:08,719
had a longer history not in secret

1536
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:10,320
i would suppose

1537
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:11,760
so

1538
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:14,000
have you ever heard of this guy salvador

1539
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:16,880
paez ah software pass yeah i've looked

1540
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:18,400
at his patents and i've

1541
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:20,960
i've looked at um

1542
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:22,560
kind of comments that

1543
01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:25,120
that were made before he he did a

1544
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:26,719
interesting interview

1545
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:27,760
um

1546
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:29,360
trying to remember where it was at but i

1547
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:30,719
think was the drive and i'm trying to

1548
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:33,760
remember who i think that's right

1549
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:36,159
i'm i don't want to um i just i don't

1550
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:38,080
want to say the wrong author so the

1551
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:40,320
journalist who did that but he had an

1552
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:42,080
actual interview where he was kind of

1553
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:43,760
defending himself because a lot of a lot

1554
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:44,480
of

1555
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:46,640
feedback came back after

1556
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:48,320
those patents were kind of discussed and

1557
01:13:53,110 --> 01:13:50,800
brought up by the drive

1558
01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:53,120
by mainstream academia saying that no

1559
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:55,040
this is not what is possible

1560
01:13:58,709 --> 01:13:56,400
um

1561
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:58,719
i would like to see a working model

1562
01:14:02,229 --> 01:14:00,560
that's that's my take on it i'm not

1563
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:02,239
saying that it's impossible but it

1564
01:14:05,189 --> 01:14:03,440
definitely

1565
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:05,199
from reading through the patents does

1566
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:06,719
things that

1567
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:09,199
my understanding of and and from my

1568
01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:10,320
experience

1569
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:12,800
of how a lot of these these physics

1570
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:13,679
work

1571
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:16,480
it it's beyond what my understanding

1572
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:17,760
suggests

1573
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:19,760
would be possible but

1574
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,880
he also in his defense has the

1575
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:24,719
the uh basically

1576
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:27,280
his boss from his time there with the

1577
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:28,560
navy

1578
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:29,920
came to his defense and said yeah they

1579
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:32,000
have working models so if they release

1580
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:33,600
that or would prove that

1581
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:34,800
you know

1582
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:36,239
that's when i would maybe buy it or

1583
01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:38,239
maybe i you know test it out myself

1584
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:40,719
build it but that to me i'd have to see

1585
01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:42,400
a working model where i can point to

1586
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:44,080
some working models for these these

1587
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:45,600
ionic planes

1588
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:46,880
right

1589
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:48,000
yeah

1590
01:14:55,910 --> 01:14:52,790
can we go off topic a little bit of that

1591
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:55,920
yeah what brought you into the ufo field

1592
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:57,840
why are you interested

1593
01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:00,000
um i've always been

1594
01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:02,960
so this goes back a long ways when i was

1595
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:04,480
younger i was always very interested in

1596
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:06,400
science and obviously from my career

1597
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:07,760
path

1598
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:10,880
i followed that in those steps but i've

1599
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:12,400
always been very interested in science

1600
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:14,640
from a young age and growing up i was

1601
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:16,960
always interested in even paranormal or

1602
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:19,840
like in interesting science fiction

1603
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:21,679
maybe is the better term

1604
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:24,640
and uh i read a lot of ufo books growing

1605
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:26,080
up and

1606
01:15:30,070 --> 01:15:27,679
at a certain point

1607
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:30,080
when i was younger you know you get

1608
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:32,960
socialized that the stigma around it so

1609
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:34,239
i kind of

1610
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:37,199
boxed that up so to speak and put it put

1611
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:39,840
it aside a little bit and then

1612
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:43,520
that all kind of came back in 2017 so

1613
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:44,880
2017

1614
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:46,480
you know the videos

1615
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:50,080
and the the navy and government and new

1616
01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:52,320
york times talking about this got me

1617
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:54,400
back into it and i've kind of been back

1618
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:56,080
into it since

1619
01:16:03,270 --> 01:15:58,080
that's a good point so what's your take

1620
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:05,830
i will preface this with saying that i

1621
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:08,239
am not a fleer expert

1622
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:11,520
totally or uh nor am i

1623
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:14,320
an expert on military aviation so to

1624
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:15,360
speak but

1625
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:17,120
i do think that there are some

1626
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:18,880
interesting properties being exhibited

1627
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:20,960
that i would have assumed

1628
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:22,320
would not would be outside of our

1629
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:25,120
capabilities the one i'm most interested

1630
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:26,880
in actually was the the nimitz incident

1631
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:27,920
video

1632
01:16:32,310 --> 01:16:30,320
um there was a uh

1633
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:32,320
peer-reviewed journal article that was

1634
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:34,800
done on this that i i read through

1635
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:36,480
i don't know how much attention it's

1636
01:16:40,229 --> 01:16:38,000
gotten but

1637
01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:40,239
the acceleration shown in there like if

1638
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:42,080
you even without knowing

1639
01:16:46,630 --> 01:16:44,159
the specifics of the shutter rate of the

1640
01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:46,640
the flear camera you can still from

1641
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:48,159
knowing that where it's centered on the

1642
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:51,120
fleer camera to when it accelerates off

1643
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:54,000
you know that that the acceleration is

1644
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:55,360
beyond

1645
01:16:59,910 --> 01:16:57,600
a certain number plus or minus with this

1646
01:17:02,390 --> 01:16:59,920
uncertainty and they did the um they did

1647
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:02,400
the probabilistic analysis on it uh

1648
01:17:06,229 --> 01:17:03,840
probability density function i should

1649
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:06,239
say on it and we're able to come up with

1650
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:08,480
the plus or minus you know statistical

1651
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:11,280
error and it's it's well over 49 g's

1652
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:17,430
from a design standpoint i think that's

1653
01:17:21,189 --> 01:17:20,000
beyond what we have only because i would

1654
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:21,199
think so

1655
01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:24,400
you look at the uh the the jet engines

1656
01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:25,840
well sorry

1657
01:17:32,070 --> 01:17:28,800
the f-18s and

1658
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:32,080
somewhere around 20 g's the wings will

1659
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:33,360
shear off

1660
01:17:35,830 --> 01:17:34,800
wow

1661
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:35,840
so

1662
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:38,880
that's like uh your thrust

1663
01:17:43,590 --> 01:17:41,280
basically right or your uh torque

1664
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:43,600
or it's like an acceleration

1665
01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:44,480
yeah

1666
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:46,960
i'm not sure uh like mock something or

1667
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:49,840
miles per hour does it translate to that

1668
01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:51,920
it translates into a force like i guess

1669
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:53,120
you were correct with saying like a

1670
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:54,640
thrust or a

1671
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:56,880
torque um again

1672
01:18:02,630 --> 01:17:58,960
aerospace maybe not my specialty but

1673
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:04,310
translated into like an acceleration

1674
01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:06,560
yeah it's a force that's being exerted

1675
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:08,800
on the wings if you think of it that way

1676
01:18:11,350 --> 01:18:10,239
so man

1677
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:11,360
so

1678
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:13,920
you know complete speculation and it's

1679
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:15,280
clear we're doing that

1680
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:21,189
if you had to take a guess which you

1681
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:24,080
don't have to but if you hit

1682
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:25,440
so

1683
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:27,760
i'll be honest with you i don't know

1684
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:29,679
what they are but if i was to take a

1685
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:33,040
guess at least the item in the 2004

1686
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:34,880
nimitz incident case

1687
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:36,640
i would say is

1688
01:18:41,910 --> 01:18:39,520
some form of non-human technology but i

1689
01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:41,920
i don't have anything to really

1690
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:42,800
you know

1691
01:18:45,270 --> 01:18:44,320
say

1692
01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:45,280
yeah

1693
01:18:51,990 --> 01:18:50,790
pretty nuts did you see the rubber duck

1694
01:18:53,590 --> 01:18:52,000
video

1695
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:53,600
i did

1696
01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:55,280
what did you think of that there's not

1697
01:18:59,350 --> 01:18:56,800
much you can take from it i would assume

1698
01:19:01,669 --> 01:18:59,360
right no for me there wasn't

1699
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:01,679
a whole lot to take from it i'm not

1700
01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:03,840
gonna say that it's

1701
01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:06,400
not it's somewhat interesting but to me

1702
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:09,520
i um i didn't find it

1703
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:11,600
as interesting as

1704
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:13,840
maybe some of the lead up to it was

1705
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:16,640
suggesting it was right not that i'm

1706
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:18,640
taking i get you i'm not at it at all i

1707
01:19:27,820 --> 01:19:19,440
just

1708
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:30,790
[Laughter]

1709
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:32,560
you just have to pretend it's great

1710
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:33,600
that's all

1711
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:34,719
you do

1712
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:38,400
i'm just kidding um yeah so i really

1713
01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:40,480
appreciate you coming on dude doing this

1714
01:19:45,270 --> 01:19:43,600
stuff um i'd love to do more of it with

1715
01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:45,280
you if you're interested

1716
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:47,920
um i think you did great and you're

1717
01:19:52,149 --> 01:19:50,400
obviously very smart so

1718
01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:52,159
um maybe there's some more

1719
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:55,280
things we can work on in the future so

1720
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:58,000
um it'd be cool to have a resource like

1721
01:20:01,110 --> 01:19:59,440
that so

1722
01:20:02,470 --> 01:20:01,120
absolutely yeah

1723
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:02,480
honestly it was a great honor you having

1724
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:04,719
me on i've uh i love your show and

1725
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:06,800
thanks man appreciate it so

1726
01:20:11,189 --> 01:20:08,719
yeah i find my mess by the way i just

1727
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:11,199
moved so uh there's that's a another

1728
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:13,120
desk that i'm trying to put together oh

1729
01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:14,480
yeah i was gonna say that's not gonna

1730
01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:24,629
cool man well yeah i appreciate it dude

1731
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:26,239
i appreciate your time

1732
01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:28,880
uh everybody here appreciate appreciates

1733
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:31,840
your time as well um so yeah we'll see

1734
01:20:34,709 --> 01:20:32,880
you soon

1735
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:34,719
thanks for having me all right see joe

1736
01:20:37,030 --> 01:20:35,600
peace

1737
01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:37,040
bye

1738
01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:39,920
all right so that was cool

1739
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:42,880
um good dude can't wait to have him on

1740
01:20:47,669 --> 01:20:45,280
more often and talk about some more

1741
01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:47,679
scientific stuff um because i think

1742
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:49,040
that's cool

1743
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:51,120
so

1744
01:20:55,270 --> 01:20:53,040
again

1745
01:20:56,709 --> 01:20:55,280
you know if you want to

1746
01:20:59,350 --> 01:20:56,719
you know reference what we were

1747
01:21:02,229 --> 01:20:59,360
discussing he did obviously a way better

1748
01:21:04,229 --> 01:21:02,239
job talking about it than i did

1749
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:04,239
so go back watch it again in the

1750
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:06,000
documents actual documents you can see

1751
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:08,400
yourself are in there that's a part of

1752
01:21:13,110 --> 01:21:10,560
this big batch i got that i'm trying to

1753
01:21:15,510 --> 01:21:13,120
spread around as much as possible

1754
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:15,520
that spaghetti will vouch for are

1755
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:17,440
pretty intense so

1756
01:21:22,070 --> 01:21:20,000
um check it out

1757
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:22,080
i hope you had a good time

1758
01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:24,560
um remember the message at the beginning

1759
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:26,560
hopefully that i did it the right way i

1760
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:28,560
tried my best

1761
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:31,040
love you guys peace

1762
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:33,120
stay in love benji

1763
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:35,120
it's happening

1764
01:21:41,350 --> 01:21:39,350
hopefully i'll come up with something

1765
01:21:43,830 --> 01:21:41,360
clever and i'll see you tomorrow i'm

1766
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:43,840
sure that'll be the case

1767
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:46,320
but yeah until then be good be kind stay